I was headed to jiu jitsu class tonight, and I was listening to the CNN coverage of the Somali pirate stand off on Satellite radio.
It’s pretty fucking crazy shit if you’re not aware of the story. Basically there’s a stand off between US navy warships and 4 ak-47 armed pirates with one American hostage, and they’re adrift at sea for over a day in a lifeboat with no bathroom.
The somalia pirate situation is an incredibly complicated and fucked up problem.
A lot of these guys were fishermen until European boats illegally overfished their waters and dumped millions of gallons of toxic waste in it.
Hundreds of people have died because of the toxic chemicals dumped there, and some of these fisherman turned to a life of crime.
It’s an incredibly successful one, too.
These guys are pulling off kidnappings and taking over boats all over the place, often hundreds of miles from the shore.
Where they live is beyond fucked, there’s no real government, everywhere you look there are guys armed to the teeth chewing khat, a weed that has amphetamines in it.
Warlords run that part of the world, and in a land where the average person makes $600.00 a year, these motherfuckers are bringing in millions by holding boats hostage and demanding ransom.
It’s a really scary situation, and there’s not much people can do about it. It’s a completely unstable area, and criminal activity has proven to be far too attractive and profitable. These cracked out pirates are fucking rock stars over there. They’re rich as fuck, and they spend money like Tommy Lee at a strip club.
They live in an incredibly violent world of warlords and disposable lives with virtually no one to stop them. I was sitting in my car just trying to imagine what growing up in that environment would be like.
Could you even imagine? That easily could have been your world. How incredibly unfortunate it would be to be born a baby in the middle of all that shit. Your daddy is a heavily armed, cranked up fisherman who hijacks ships, and your mom is the type of woman that wants a guy like that to fuck her.
Just a complete shit situation.
And it could have easily be you or I in that situation.
At least that’s one theory.
I’ve read some really interesting thoughts on Karma and our roles in this life. Some people believe that you are exactly who you wanted to be when you chose this life, and that all the various personalities and body shapes and occupations are really just a part of some pre-determined course that all of humanity is on, and that we all have our own positions to play in the grand performance.
There are some people that believe that our places in this world are dictated by the work that we’ve done in our past lives, and that all of us will live our lives over and over again until we get it right. Each time coming back clearer and more aware, each time slowly inching towards enlightenment.
What that idea really is if you think about it, is a possible method of evolution. Instead of thinking that just our bodies evolve over time, and that the species becomes more intelligent when it’s brain improves with natural selection – what this idea suggests is that the “soul” is real, and that it evolves as well.
Each life is used as a vehicle for the soul to learn and grow, and with each life lived in the proper direction the next life becomes more harmonious until ultimately the soul reaches a frequency where they transcend the world of human life and move on to the next stage of existence.
The idea is that we’re transforming, caterpillars into butterflies. Humans into whatever the fuck comes next, and that one of the ways this transformation slowly occurs is that many, many lives have to be lived through before the soul has evolved to the point where it can break free. That it’s just another undocumented but often considered fact of life. The concept of reincarnation has been around for a long, long time, and it might not just be fairy tales or wishful thinking.
Some folks will tell you that it’s ridiculous, and for the most part they’d be right, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not true. Lots of things that seem completely ridiculous are actually true. Anyone that’s ever had a psychedelic experience will tell you that there are things that can be seen with the simplest, most seemingly innocuous action like the digestion of a plant or a fungus and they can provide the most mind-blowing experience a human being to ever possibly be exposed to.
Little mushrooms that grow everywhere naturally, and if you eat them without going anywhere you will be exposed to art and wisdom and visions that are completely beyond descriptions. Beyond what’s been established as possible by the events of your entire life, and once you see them you’ll never truly be the same person again. Now, that sounds ridiculous, but it’s real.
Try describing it to someone that hasn’t experienced it, though.
They’ll give you the exact look that they would give you if you said you believed in reincarnation.
I’ve had psychedelic experiences that were impossibly bizarre and in them I communicated with energy that was impossibly wise and infinitely interconnected with the very structure of the entire universe.
These things are very much real, and I’ve experienced them.
My point is, that after a good DMT trip the idea of reincarnation doesn’t even sound a little outlandish. It’s certainly unprovable, but I don’t think it’s any more strange to think we live different lives, over and over again than it is to wrap our minds around the fact that we live ANY life at all. All life is fucking nuts.
All human existence is incredibly bizarre, and when looking at the human race as a single, gigantic super-organism to me it’s not more bizarre to think we live over and over again than it is to wrap your head around the idea that we live at all – that we think, or that we’re conscious. That we can see, and hear, and smell. That we all know death is inevitable, but we all run from it. Why would it be any weirder to live more than once? That to me – if a “soul” is a real biological or spiritual entity and not just a trick of the ego – that actually makes more sense than just living one life.
We just have no proof of it, and we can’t detect it, so we dismiss it.
We think of ourselves as one thing – “a person” – but clearly we’re a mass of a bunch of different and coexisting organisms, all kinds of different bacteria, and they’re all working together to keep us alive. Maybe the human soul is just another one of these entities that make up a person, and that as the human body is slowly evolving from the depths of its lower primate roots, the soul is evolving right along side it.
The human organism is a physical thing and it needs to create fresh bodies in order further evolve, because that’s what the body is; it’s a physical mass of cells and processes. Well, if a soul is a real thing (and I’m inclined to think that’s very possible) it’s an ethereal thing that we have no way of measuring or even documenting it. If it exists, and it’s a component of an evolving life form than it makes perfect sense that it’s evolving too, and maybe the way it does that is by passing from one life to the next, improving and evolving a little with each new incarnation.
Reincarnation may very well be real even though it sounds ridiculous and there’s no way to prove it. Just because breeding has a very obvious and traceable path to it doesn’t mean everything else does. There are so many fucking components of the human body working together without our knowledge that if we didn’t have science to explain and point them out we would have no idea they existed at all. Like the billions of bacteria cells in our bodies that we need desperately in order to stay alive, and we have no idea that they’re even there or the slightest clue what they do. Most of us are just sitting around cluelessly running through our lives while they do their work silently in the background. The soul might be just like that, but unlike bacteria we haven’t developed devices yet to study it.
The real problem with the notion of reincarnation is the same as the problem with UFOs – most people that talk about them are retarded and full of shit.
You bring up talk like that and you’re automatically lumped in with palm readers and people that claim to have seen the loch ness monster. Some people actually pay people to “read” their past lives, and tell them what romantic and pleasure filled adventures they’ve been through. It’s always the same kind of story, “She told me I was a captain in the British navy, and I lost my life defending my ship in the war.”
Always noble, always a winner.
How come nobody was ever a loser in their past lives? No one ever tells you that in your last life you were living on the street sucking dicks for homemade wine.
Always a princess or a nobleman, never a tranny prostitute.
I read a quote once from a famous Guru, and he said, “Enlightenment is possible in this lifetime.” I remember thinking about it at the time I read it, and how far I felt from being anywhere close to being enlightened, and then I thought of how far people can progress at other aspects of life. How a person can start off life not being able to talk, and eventually get to the point where they can write books and address thousands in lectures. You can go from being a baby to a brain surgeon, from a prisoner to a motivational speaker. Incredible progress is not only possible but documentable. Enlightenment is possible. Will you get there? Will I? Who the fuck knows. I guess it all depends on how far you have to travel and evolve to get there and how focused you are on doing it. All I know is that those pirates, strapped up with assault rifles and huddled together on a lifeboat that’s surrounded by warships have a long fucking way to go.
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Wow bro, that’s pretty damn isightful. I’m reading this at 2.30 pm in the UK after having just awoke with a hangover that feels like a giant elephant has decided to use my head to take his heaviest shit of the season.
There’s some crazt synchronicity going on here, I had a shit night and spent an hour on the phone to my brother after talking the exact same shit I’ve just read here. Bt the weirdest part is I was describing this girl I want to get to know a little better and for some reason I used the caterpillar into a beautfiul butterfly metaphor (the girl I was talking to referred to her as having eyebrows as caterpillars so I thought it would be the perfect analogy) any way dude those were the first words that screamed out at me when I came onto your blog. Weird.
Anyway dude, enough of my shit, great blog….. keep it up you’re a perceptive mofo and kinda remind me of the late great Bill Hicks. Keep it up.
Peace
Hey Joe, that is some deep shit. As upright homosapians we haven’t even touched that part of evolution, and the reproductive cycle of human existence. Nature has a way of making a vast variety of human life form, from multitudes of various extremes of mankind. I think it is like when somebody has a birth defect, or some tripped out feature like a child born with six arms, it’s like the cells, and atoms in our bodies are affected by something that produces offspring and living elements that are so drastic. When you think of the massive dinosaurs and such and the environment that they lived in and the lack of developing a analytical brain, you just had large beings that just survived with just killing other beings for food, as we have today with alligators, and sharks. We as human have some how gained the knowledge, that we don’t go down the street, and take a bite out of somebody’s arm when we’re hungry. But we have so much shit going on in the mix now, with countries being suppressed by external, and internal forces that, that adds another several layers to reasons behind mans evolution.
Endless possibilities.
DEEP!!!!!! I can’t even touch this shit dude!! Good shit!
Awesome insight. What sets you apart Joe is your ability to illuminate the mind of the average person and not just some Deepak Chopra studied new age thealogen. It’s about time someone put some swear words smack dab in the middle of the path to enlightenment. I think that is how the real teachers would have wanted it.
Oh, so you suddenly believe in souls, karma, pasta lives, enlightenment, transforming into butterflies… um-hmmm… yeah. No, dude, I totally believe you. I’m sure you would never say anything like this just to pick up a chick. (Is she hot?) Love, bongo
have you seen this TED talk? i found it fascinating and i’d bet you’d dig it how bacteria communicate
also, as pessimistic as this may sound, you have far more faith in humanity than i. when i first started reading about the reemergence of pirates and with this progression made by the somalian warlords–well i can’t help but to think that “human” is a bit of a stretch. perhaps we’re only animals in the end.
Not only is it deep, but very true & fundamental as far as what your opinions represent. The farther a person is from what they are not a complete part part of, the harder it is for them to except its reality. To relate to enlightenment one can only be part of it once he or she has reached a certain point of understanding. But to use the word understanding is a little ironic for its use because of the fact that understanding is the acceptance or faith within the laws of creation destruction & harmony of both. So to reach understanding you must believe. But then again as Joe Rogan once said “what if our life was a fucking joke” which at the time was hilarious. If you ask me what life is about then I would tell you, it is so that matter can control the steps that we are taking today so that we reach a higher dimension of reality, so me must continue to build or evolve to ensure our survival.
Come on Joe, you got all this info from K’naan…
K’naan Speaks on Somali Piracy
It’s cool though, info is info..
@abiyad… K’naan obviously talked to Joe before and stole it from him.. Hur hurrr
Another good read. It’s possible in this lifetime. We just think it’s a “lifetime” because we’re lookin’ at it from 3d. When you look at it from 5d you see it’s all possible… you know… we’re definately movin’ towards the butterfly stage, we can feel it, we have to… it’s all part of the process
yo joe i like the concept of the evolving sole, and the view on humanity as the super organism, but what if consciousness is the super-organism that is evolving, and i actually tried to explain a trip to some one today
yo joe i like the concept of the evolving soul, and the view on humanity as the super organism, but what if consciousness/ the universe is the super-organism that is evolving, and i actually tried to explain a trip to some one today. pirates it kind of sounds like we are regressing as a species. survival of the fittest… yeah
Did you write all of this in between your shows in Brea ?? hhaha… I saw you tonight at the Improv…you are one funny guy. Keep it up. Peace
What a bunch of no-nonsence HIPPY CRAP!!! seriously though. if you want to see some real nitty gritty street slums ACTION then you should skip slumdogmiliionaire and watch CITY OF GOD… all about the RIO slums and how the kids there are killing eachother for positions power. Compelling story and its basis is that of true life events/people that took place through 60’s and 70′
I dont know if this ties in to enlightenment or whatnot (no pun intended) but i had this DREAM where i was on MARS at another time… their were people living on like these solar farms? stricktly small time though not like mega-tech. more like the garbage people from that movie SOLDIER with “kurt russle” any way living peacfully then BAM. in rolls NATZI STORMTROOPERS. so they’re killing everybody in the encampment. I burried my self in dirt to escape and lying next to me is this woman who did the same thing annnnnnd she keeps telling me that the natzi’s came for her chemicle compound that could make oil expand and that thier were huge resiviors of oil underneath mars surface.
PAST LIFE FLASHBACK?
I disagree with your conclusion, however I feel better off having read your thoughts. I think our single life is terminal and this is more likely true than a perpetually reincarnating soul. I base this opinion off conjecture just like you do. This is not something that can really be debated without engaging in mental masturbation. You either feel one way or the other and there is a sort of freedom of thought that springs from that fact. I can read your thoughts and appreciate them for what they are without feeling obligated to counter and disprove. I wish more topics were so non-dogmatic and open ended.
The ethereal nature of existence is one deep and perplexing rabbit hole. Uncertainty is the only thing of which one can be certain in life. Most people can’t accept this fact because they can’t cope with the fear it causes. I’d rather be aware and scared than confident and ignorant. Just hop on and ride the variance train the best you can and never curse your luck because nobody is listening besides yourself.
Very deep indeed. I am glad you can take the conversation to such a level hard to find. I actually get the pirates, its not sensless. Ruthless, but not without obvious ties to why this is happening. If you lived in Somalia, would there be away to condemn the “pirates”- or would you have no choice but to be bound to it in some capacity? For whatever reason we are here, not there and I am thankful for it. What leaves me completely clueless is the senseless acts, like the girl murdered in N. CA. Why does that shit happen, other than to scare the shit out of people? I agree with your discussion on souls. You know it when you meet with someone- the age of their soul. I find it is often the the thing that connects me to people- or leaves me rather not connecting. Saw you in Brea last night- Great show Joe- one of the best I’ve seen you do. Thanks- we all needed it!
Joe,
First of all, good work. About 10 paragraphs in, I’m looking at my watch and inching my way towards the door intellectually, and then you hooked me, with: ‘yeah, reincarnation sounds ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than that we live at all.’ And I thought; “Well yeah, how *is* it that I’m turning oxygen to carbon dioxide, and plant and animal matter into pooh? Explain *that* before you go dismissing what Joe’s saying.”
Second: Why is it that when you inhale Satan’s incense you have a beer with God, and I just get mild paranoia and the inability to maintain a cogent thought? It’s just not fair. I must say though, the Simpsons are even more brilliant at that point.
Also, good work in instilling some empathy for the pirates terrorizing the waters off the African coast. I’m still not big a fan of theirs, but I hadn’t considered any of the historical and cultural causation.
Finally, make room for the possibility that some people evolve in the wrong direction. Less like a marathon towards a common finish line, more like a lava lamp, where some float up, other sink down for a bit, and maybe rise again… Clearly, SOME fuckers got the wrong map in their evolution.
I hope the negotiators think about trying to trade some khat for the captain’s release.
One of the crew mentioned that the pirates were just “hungry”. The khat could take the edge off of their hunger pains.
Let me know when you are in New Orleans and I will play you some pool for dinner.
JoeyA
I also believe the soul is a real thing, and just at the moment we don’t have the knowledge of science to measure it. Just how over the ages we have discovered gravity electricity etc. Last night when I had a massive K hole trip, I sore this more clearly. Almost like our soul might be operating on another dimension that overlaps ours. No soul isn’t some ’spiritual’ ‘religious’ thing, rather its dead shit real. Just that our small 4 dimension sensors ,we cannot directly tune into this frequency. Maybe oneday we can map this out, maybe not. Maybe its a mystery thats never meant to be solved because it doesn’t exist and we have created the whole lot in our minds. Makes our lives interesting to say the least..
I don’t see those pirates as any less enlightened than anyone else that takes the more profitable route regardless of the possible consequences. Desire has consequences except in the American eye.
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I like your comparison of psychedelic experiences to unfounded ideas like reincarnation or UFO’s. I like your post and your blog in general so don’t feel my argument here is contrary to my appreciation of what you write.
The trouble of this comparison is that a psychedelic experience is not in fact something real; it is a distortion of perception. What actually occurs is that your brain has its inputs confused. The given drug will cause your brain to interpret, for example, visual input as auditory input, tactile input as olfactory input, etc. Basically the input signals are crossed. This is why we are able to taste colors, or hear someone touch us. The effect in our brain is wonderment.
This leads to problem two. When the human brain encounters something new, its natural response is to try to build associations to this new material. In other words, each time we encounter something new or different, we try to put it into a context that we understand. This is really the essence of joke writing. You transform the ridiculous into the context of what people think of as normal. And it explains why jokes must be told slightly differently with different audiences with different cultural backgrounds.
Problem three here is that natural selection or evolution is not a process of improvement in a general sense. This is a case of people trying to make the concepts of evolution make sense to them personally, but is really a shorthand and inaccurate way of describing the process. Evolution, or more specifically, natural selection is a description given to those entities that have a reproductive advantage over a general population. Most scientists focus on a genetic basis of evolution, but it also greatly depends on culture. For example, money has a direct correlation to natural selection because it gives a person a reproductive advantage. For a social evolutionary perspective this can lead to theories of why certain cultures dominate or even consume others.
Now you state that just because something cannot be proved, does not mean it is untrue. Yet this also means that just because something cannot be proved, does not also mean it IS true. What it does mean is that it is NOT a sound premise to begin with. In other words, any argument that starts with something improvable as a starting point is not a real argument; it is a belief. The problem here is that ANYTHING can be chosen as a basis for a belief system. I can say that I visited an alien spaceship and then say, well since you can’t prove that I didn’t, then it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. The burden of proof is not on the audience, but on the person who creates a premise. This is why it is a burden of proof and not a burden of disproof.
Why is life, not in general but the fact that an entity can be alive, ridiculous? It’s not ridiculous it’s real. It’s provable. It’s demonstrable that things exist that are alive. It is NOT however demonstrable that one life has any connection to another life. Living things actually make a lot of sense if you take time to examine the process. What we can say accurately though is that life demands very specific conditions so may be statistically improbable in most other conditions. At least life as we understand it.
By this line of reasoning, computers are ridiculous. Perhaps Microsoft is, but not computers in general. They make sense if you take the time to understand them. They are tangible and real. Such is life, difficult for a person to comprehend, to understand, but not ridiculous.
The central trouble to this post’s line of reasoning is that it, like many other people inaccurately argue that since one lacks information in one subject matter, then this must mean that the general lack of information in another subject matter must not discount the validity of that subject. This is a false analogy.
In other words, a person who might be bad in math might then argue since they don’t fully understand math, yet math formulas are true, then it must be that other things this person doesn’t fully understand, including things that are not understandable because they are false, may also be true. No, logic doesn’t work that way. There are more things that I personally am clueless about. But that doesn’t mean other people are also clueless. We have people that specialize in all the areas of the body of human knowledge. So while I may be clueless about say genetics, there are several individuals who are experts and can provide evidence to support their claims. This cannot be validly stated about other topics.
Nobody has proof about reincarnation or UFO’s. Therefore this is not valid knowledge from an academic sense, from a logical sense. It is merely belief. There is nothing wrong with belief; it often gets people through what is otherwise a challenging world. So I fully support belief if it gets you through the day. But when I am given an option to spend time with something that has absolutely no evidence, versus something for which evidence abounds, I rationalize that I will have the greater survival advantage siding with the evidence and leaving belief and fantasy for fiction and entertainment.
On that note, I did find this post very entertaining.
While on the subject of evolutionary growth and psychedelics… isn’t it absolutely amazing that the government ensures that the evolutionary process is stunted by illegalizing psychedelics? Why do they want to keep us from becoming (as you say) “whatever it is that is next in the evolutionary process”? I guess the obvious answer is fear. But shouldn’t the natural order of human growth take care of this problem? Maybe it will. Hopefully the reason that it will happen is by the binding of like minded “enlightened” people. I just hope I’m around to see the glorious transition.
Greg’s response about the psychedelic experience not being “real” reminded me of a passage from Huxley’s “Island”:
“Do you like music?” Dr. Robert asked.
“More than most things.”
“And what, may I ask, does Mozart’s G-Minor Quintet refer to? Does it refer to Allah? Or Tao? Or the second person of the Trinity? Or the Atman-Brahman?”
Will laughed. “Let’s hope not.”
“But that doesn’t make the experience of the G-Minor Quintet any less rewarding. Well, it’s the same with the kind of experience that you get with the moksha-medicine, or through prayer and fasting and spiritual exercises. Even if it doesn’t refer to anything outside itself, it’s still the most important thing that ever happened to you. Like music, only incomparably more so. And if you give the experience a chance, if you’re prepared to go along with it, the results are incomparably more therapeutic and transforming. So maybe the whole thing does happen inside one’s skull. Maybe it is private and there’s no unitive knowledge of anything but one’s own physiology. Who cares? The fact remains that the experience can open one’s eyes and make one blessed and transform one’s whole life.”
PS I don’t drink
I just wanted to say Joe Rogan I have grown a deep respect for you over the years. You are truly not just one of the many sheep that run around in their lives on a daily basis not aware what’s really going on.
Anybody trying to dismiss and say yeah right thats just a load of BS. Take mushrooms at least once in your life and tell me what you saw, thought or heard. I guarantee you will look at your life, and life in general in a completely different light/mindset.
Very interesting blog Joe, I agree with so many of the things you discussed, it’s like finally someone understands the way I’ve felt for many years about life.
Joe, species don’t always evolve to “better” or “higher” forms. The traits might just be very good for our genes and not good at all for us. Some traits evolve with no real explanation (damned male pattern baldness) .Traits are generally selected according to how fit they are (the level: genes, individual, group (your idea of a mass of humans) is highly debatable.
Your idea with the soul is interesting to me, but has the soul really changed much? What you are saying is beautiful but it seems much more likely to me that we are just a bunch of advanced apes with brains that make us think a whole lot.
I’m a philosophy major (not to say that being a philo major means shit) and I have spent countless hours (i’m sure you have too) trying to convince myself that we are something more than animals. If you ask me, sorry Joe but this is it. You probably have only just one life to live. To me, reaching for all of these ideas (god, reincarnation, the infinite existence of our soul) are just signs that all humans have a huge problem dealing with their own mortality. Everyone says that they are not afraid of death; most of these people seem to hold some hope for an afterlife. Who cares if there is nothing after death? I don’t understand what the fear is.
By the way, I had plenty of caps and stems, stamps, and cubes to help me figure this stuff out.
Can’t wait to see your stand up special on Spike after the Ultimate Fighter Finale. Joe Rogan Live is THE shit. You are, without any doubt, a funny ass motherfucker. Whose mother is next?(*bad joke) Also, the best commentary in MMA.
Keep it up dude, best of luck
very interesting blog. I like it when people try and find out whats out (or in?) there, and want things to be better, want humans to be better because it seems so possible, seems just around the corner that we’ll stop being complete pricks to each other and cause pain and suffering on a global scale
regarding reincarnation, perhaps you should take some time to study Buddhism? seems like they’ve thinking about it and enlightenment for a couple of thousands years, they might have some stuff that helps.
Here’s a thought though… as the population is growing at an alarming rate where are the new souls coming from? are the animals that we’re killing off getting promoted?
or, as the Yakult adverts suggest, there’s lots of Bad Bacteria out there that’s being punished and ending up as neo-con Christians?
also just wanted to pick up on Gregs point one. Psycadelic experiences aren’t all cases of synesthesia. They’re many and varied and can’t be attributed to that alone
and last thing: evolution. I think it’s not going to come from man looking inside and attaining a greater understanding. it’s going to come from computers. can you imagine what the intern will look like in 50 years time? and how we’re going to interface with it? we definitely wont’ be typing in slowly and cumbersomely on keyboards. And as it is, the interweb is the closest thing we have to God so far. I mean it’s rough and shoddy and scrappy and full of porn at the moment, but once we’ve learnt how to filter that wealth of information (which back in the 90’s was quoted as being 7 life times worth of information!!) we’re gonna attain the next level of consciousness
which is a shame. I like the idea of meditation and contemplation. but if it’s a brain meld with the worlds population over the information super highway, then so be it!
keep up the good work Joe, got lots of respect for you!
Keeno